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	<title>Comments on: We can create Christians so very well, what about Disciples?</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Engle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Engle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 20:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your analysis. All this &quot;brining people to church&quot; has little to do with bringing people to Christ.  I&#039;ve looked at this from a slightly different slant.  Most churches (perhaps even some believer gatherings) are happy creating more &quot;Presumer Performers&quot;.  Christ requires true &quot;Seeker Followers&quot;, authenic believers who listen to the Holy Spirit and Follow, who truly seek and do the will of God!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/are-you-a-presumer-performer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/ar...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of todays leaders are trying to gain disciples (unto themselves), but God tells us to discerning:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/our-assignment-to-ignore-todays-blind-leaders/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/ou...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;May God Bless You and Your Ministry,&lt;br&gt;Glenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your analysis. All this “brining people to church” has little to do with bringing people to Christ.  I’ve looked at this from a slightly different slant.  Most churches (perhaps even some believer gatherings) are happy creating more “Presumer Performers”.  Christ requires true “Seeker Followers”, authenic believers who listen to the Holy Spirit and Follow, who truly seek and do the will of God!</p>
<p><a href="http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/are-you-a-presumer-performer/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/ar.." rel="nofollow">http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/12/ar..</a>.</p>
<p>Most of todays leaders are trying to gain disciples (unto themselves), but God tells us to discerning:</p>
<p><a href="http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/our-assignment-to-ignore-todays-blind-leaders/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/ou.." rel="nofollow">http://thebigpicmin.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/ou..</a>.</p>
<p>May God Bless You and Your Ministry,<br />Glenn</p>
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		<title>By: Brewing a post or two &#124; hand to the plough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brewing a post or two &#124; hand to the plough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that my most popular post so far has been my rant about the fact that we create Christian&#8217;s better than we create Disciples! But not sure why folk are not commenting on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] that my most popular post so far has been my rant about the fact that we create Christian’s better than we create Disciples! But not sure why folk are not commenting on […]</p>
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		<title>By: Would Jesus play Warcraft? &#124; rhythm+hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Would Jesus play Warcraft? &#124; rhythm+hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] accuse anyone, why not ask yourself this - am I a Disciple of Jesus or merely a Christian? See my earlier post for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] accuse anyone, why not ask yourself this — am I a Disciple of Jesus or merely a Christian? See my earlier post for the […]</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 08:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, Thanks for the feedback - the quote is from Shane Claiborne - so don&#039;t think it was mine! Shalom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, Thanks for the feedback — the quote is from Shane Claiborne — so don’t think it was mine! Shalom!</p>
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		<title>By: mike hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting post, enjoyed the parable, quite sobering and &quot; bride not harem&quot; is a line I will steal and use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting post, enjoyed the parable, quite sobering and ” bride not harem” is a line I will steal and use.</p>
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